It's better to try than doing nothing. At least mabibigyan natin sila ng warning at kung anong buhay ang naghihintay dito. At least may action. Let's not wait hanggang marami tayong kababayan ang nabibiktima ng WTR issue. It's time na kumilos na ang AKLnz Pinoy para sabihan ang pwedeng sabihan.
Partner magandang idea yan but I don't think na kakagatin ng mga media sa Pilipinas ito. Mas paniniwalaan pa nilang mas mahirap pumunta sa Middle East, Africa, Europe but NZ? alam ng mga kababayan natin doon bumabaha ng milk and honey dito.
Pero subukan din natin....
This is a good suggestion. Reach out to the tri-media in the homeland. May mga members tayong kapamilya. Sana paratingin nila ang mga ganito feedback sa media outlets. Sina Gene and Weng Orejana, and Apol Bautista, mga dating kapamilya. Malaki ang maitutulong nila. At iba pa na may access sa mass media.
May mga members tayo na member din ng egroup Pinoy2nz. Lets forward these sad stories to them.
Pero subukan din natin....
This is a good suggestion. Reach out to the tri-media in the homeland. May mga members tayong kapamilya. Sana paratingin nila ang mga ganito feedback sa media outlets. Sina Gene and Weng Orejana, and Apol Bautista, mga dating kapamilya. Malaki ang maitutulong nila. At iba pa na may access sa mass media.
May mga members tayo na member din ng egroup Pinoy2nz. Lets forward these sad stories to them.
May ilang members tayo na binalaan na natin bago pa lang pumunta dito, sabi natin ihanda nila ang sarili nila sa malaking hamon. At wag munag isama ang pamilya. Tumuloy pa rin, dahil sayang daw ang visa nila. At dala din ang pamilya. Makikipagsapalaran na lang daw sila dahil sa atin e wala naman daw pag-asa. Pagdating dito, at makalipas ang ilang buwan, umiiyak na. Some of these kababayans, I have emailed privately.
Bakit hindi ipaannounce sa mga pinoy na papunta rito kung gaano kahirap mag PR ( especially yung mga hindi pa nagbebenta ng properties )? I think its better if we can just let them know and it will be their decision if they want to continue. It will be unfair kung pupunta sila rito without knowing the real scenario. Gamitin ang media.
Bakit hindi ipaannounce sa mga pinoy na papunta rito kung gaano kahirap mag PR ( especially yung mga hindi pa nagbebenta ng properties )? I think its better if we can just let them know and it will be their decision if they want to continue. It will be unfair kung pupunta sila rito without knowing the real scenario. Gamitin ang media.
This discussion is getting wider. the argument here is that WTR holders are not being treated fairly, stressed out, and immigration is doing nothing TO WTR'S BENEFIT.
Again, what i'm saying is why invite us to get here if there will be no support and will be left behind just like scavengers! extensions are being denied, and the kind of visa we have seems to be not properly disseminated! horror stories are everywhere, fellow filipinos even begging down for money, and now you want me to answer why did i move to nz despite the incoming recession and all the risks involved?
Did you really honestly want to have that question of yours answered? seriously?? my goodness, you really don't have a clue.
Again, what i'm saying is why invite us to get here if there will be no support and will be left behind just like scavengers! extensions are being denied, and the kind of visa we have seems to be not properly disseminated! horror stories are everywhere, fellow filipinos even begging down for money, and now you want me to answer why did i move to nz despite the incoming recession and all the risks involved?
Did you really honestly want to have that question of yours answered? seriously?? my goodness, you really don't have a clue.
In my teeny-weeny humble opinion, our help and advise should also extend to those prospective migrants who are in the process of applying for WTR in the Philippines. If there are groups of Pinoys having discussions on how to migrate, then one of the AklPinoy stalwarts in the Philippines can give a talk and tell them the real score regarding the WTR in terms of job hunting and pr applications. If there is one brave soul who could relate their (unfortunate) experience in NZ to this group, it will be better, and a small fee for their time and effort would be a good idea too.
Siguro let's make 2 committees, one to brainstorm on helping/easing the plight of existing migrants here in nz, and the second is concentrated on a PR campaign or information drive to prospective migrants back home.
Gusto ko lang makasingit sa usapang ito, although me mga discussions kayo dito na hindi abot ng isip ko, o baka naman nagpapataasan na naman ng ihi... anyway, WTR din ako and its irritating to know that isa ako sa statistics na pinag uusapan ninyo na baka in a few months time eh uuwi na lang ng pinas dahil hindi matanggap ng employer dito dahil konti na lan ang time na natitira sa work permit. ito lang ang natutunan ko sa lahat ng pangyayari dito, naging part lang ako ng gobyernong ito para maging source ng "other income" nila. sorry to be this blunt but I feel ganito na lang ang papel ko o ng ibang migrant na pinapapasok nila dito, para me pagkakitaan. ..
As shared by Erlina Lumanglas
I sympathise with the plight of those coming on WTR-SMC and I dont think they are not given a fair chance to compete for jobs [mainly because they are on termporary permits and on a short term at that]. This plight is not just being experienced by filipinos but other nationalities as well that is processed offshore [lalo na kapag China office siguro ang nagprocess.
True, the selection fortnightly doesn't reflect how many new immigrants will be coming in to the country in a week or a few months time. however, the fact that immigration is not doing anything with the current WTR holders despite the hard time we are having here, it makes sense that we will just be eventually going home to be replaced by new comers. this is exactly what's going on right now! the statistics you want can be easily obtained if the immigration wants to bring it to the public, which i'm sure they don't, but i can assure you that most WTR holders are just going back home frustrated, disappointed, and demoralized.
with the current statistics showing the increasing rate of unemployment, kiwis returning back to nz, we don't need anything else to say that most WTR holders are just waiting for nothing. saying this is rational. you simply just have to open your eyes!
What you are talking about tariffs and trade restriction is all non-sense. these things are completely different, and are being studied economically, and governed by rules before drawing conclusions.
The thing we have at the moment is plain and simple. WTR holders are obviously having a hard time yet immigration is doing nothing. they're pretending they don't know the issue, and even the minister doesn't have a single clue. each and every day WTR visa are expiring, and these once-hopeful migrants are going back to where they come from where they sold everything they have anyway. and this is one thing you just don't understand. perhaps because you just came in the country with visitor's pass and eventually found a sponsoring company. i can't say you didn't shed effort or hardwork, but the bottomline is, it's all luck for you. however, for us, we risked not just great sum of money just to get here, but our jobs, livelihood, and even homes!
what we should be looking at is how many have been given WTR and out of those, how many have been successful in finding a job and not in the last 12 months. Im sure INZ has those statistics and then we'll see if what you're saying is true re replacing you with new ones to battle it out..
This is the battle of the fittest, everyone should be given equal opportuniy in this job hunt irregardless if you are a citizen, resident, work visa, or the very famous WTR na kahit immigration minister hindi alam.
Siguro let's make 2 committees, one to brainstorm on helping/easing the plight of existing migrants here in nz, and the second is concentrated on a PR campaign or information drive to prospective migrants back home.
Gusto ko lang makasingit sa usapang ito, although me mga discussions kayo dito na hindi abot ng isip ko, o baka naman nagpapataasan na naman ng ihi... anyway, WTR din ako and its irritating to know that isa ako sa statistics na pinag uusapan ninyo na baka in a few months time eh uuwi na lang ng pinas dahil hindi matanggap ng employer dito dahil konti na lan ang time na natitira sa work permit. ito lang ang natutunan ko sa lahat ng pangyayari dito, naging part lang ako ng gobyernong ito para maging source ng "other income" nila. sorry to be this blunt but I feel ganito na lang ang papel ko o ng ibang migrant na pinapapasok nila dito, para me pagkakitaan. ..
As shared by Erlina Lumanglas
I sympathise with the plight of those coming on WTR-SMC and I dont think they are not given a fair chance to compete for jobs [mainly because they are on termporary permits and on a short term at that]. This plight is not just being experienced by filipinos but other nationalities as well that is processed offshore [lalo na kapag China office siguro ang nagprocess.
True, the selection fortnightly doesn't reflect how many new immigrants will be coming in to the country in a week or a few months time. however, the fact that immigration is not doing anything with the current WTR holders despite the hard time we are having here, it makes sense that we will just be eventually going home to be replaced by new comers. this is exactly what's going on right now! the statistics you want can be easily obtained if the immigration wants to bring it to the public, which i'm sure they don't, but i can assure you that most WTR holders are just going back home frustrated, disappointed, and demoralized.
with the current statistics showing the increasing rate of unemployment, kiwis returning back to nz, we don't need anything else to say that most WTR holders are just waiting for nothing. saying this is rational. you simply just have to open your eyes!
What you are talking about tariffs and trade restriction is all non-sense. these things are completely different, and are being studied economically, and governed by rules before drawing conclusions.
The thing we have at the moment is plain and simple. WTR holders are obviously having a hard time yet immigration is doing nothing. they're pretending they don't know the issue, and even the minister doesn't have a single clue. each and every day WTR visa are expiring, and these once-hopeful migrants are going back to where they come from where they sold everything they have anyway. and this is one thing you just don't understand. perhaps because you just came in the country with visitor's pass and eventually found a sponsoring company. i can't say you didn't shed effort or hardwork, but the bottomline is, it's all luck for you. however, for us, we risked not just great sum of money just to get here, but our jobs, livelihood, and even homes!
The current EOI selections do not translate to new immigrants arriving in the next few weeks or couple of months. it might even be years. who knows by time they arrive, we are on the recovery stage. its a pool, its still in their jurisdiction who'll be given the necessary visa. hence the interviews, to further cull the list.
what we should be looking at is how many have been given WTR and out of those, how many have been successful in finding a job and not in the last 12 months. Im sure INZ has those statistics and then we'll see if what you're saying is true re replacing you with new ones to battle it out..
This is the battle of the fittest, everyone should be given equal opportuniy in this job hunt irregardless if you are a citizen, resident, work visa, or the very famous WTR na kahit immigration minister hindi alam.
